The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports:
On July 31, a dozen well-educated, experienced Roman Catholic women will pass into uncharted spiritual waters on a boat cruising Pittsburgh's rivers.
On that afternoon, three women in vestments will lay their hands on the heads of the 12 women and anoint their hands with oil during an ordination ceremony that will be the first of its kind in the United States.
It will be the fourth such ceremony in the world since 2002, all unrecognized by the Vatican. The women are part of a growing international movement to push for women's ordination.
My 2 cents:
These women are not Roman Catholic once there reject the authority of the church. They are "ordained" by those who are neither ordained themselves and do not have the power to do so. In fact those who claim that right, have been excommunicated by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI back in 2003.
I did some checking on these women who claim to be ordained and I found some very interesting things. Cheryl Bristol is a self declared "lesbian by birth, Catholic by choice". Rebecca McGuyver is a divorcee. Most are married and have children and grandchildren. One remains anonymous.
Is clear that they do not hold to the vow of celibacy. At least one does not adhere to the Catholic teaching on homosexuality and they all reject the church they claim to represent.
None of these women were called by God to reject the authority of the church. God does not call anyone to go against His Word. They can put whatever label they wish on themselves. Many people often do. It does not make it true. They have no church, no valid ordination and parade as Priests while rejecting truth. I'm sorry, but the emperor has no clothes.
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18 comments:
Amen to all of the comments made about those women being ordained.
Are these people crazy? And i'm pretty sure that according to Cannon Law, the women who were ordained, and those who ordained were all automatically excommunicated, for self claiming to be priests, and for false ordination.
I would think that the women who were ordained and the persons who ordained them were excommunicated, if they want to become more active in the church, there are a lot of other ways in which to serve. Eucharistic Ministers are one, Teachers, Ladies of Charity, etc.
Well said.... I wish these kooks would get out of the Church! They can start church number thiry five thousand three hundred and seventy two, but who's counting anyway.
Heavy D:
Here is some info on Barrett's lie of 35,000 Protestant denominations.
They can start church number thiry five thousand three hundred and seventy two,...
Here we go again ...
but who's counting anyway.
Apparently YOU ARE. Sometimes I hear laments that Catholics get picked on - it is this outrageous assertion of heavy d that usually prompts it.
Please read what NH has posted regarding the figure and how it was arrived at. It's amazing that every time I hear it quoted it gets inflated just a wee bit more.
If you are going to pin the figure on non-catholics, then you must be prepared for backlash using the same methodology from the same research to point out that the Catholic Church is not unified either.
You can't compare the theological ideology of the Catholic Church to the practice of the non-catholics. That is comparing aples to oranges. Start comparing the same things - and in the process spare yourself the 'pain'.
I think its sad that Catholics and Non-Catholics can't get along, one or another always thinks they are being picked on, and they probably are, so we need to stop the nonsense and start acting like christians.
Just trying to set the record straight. That does not equal "not getting along".
...need to stop the nonsense and start acting like christians.
Please provide examples of the 'nonsense' - other than the 35,000 pseudo-fact and it's incessant recitation. It would be good to identify these behaviors openly and honestly.
What do you by mean 35,00 pseudo-fact and incessant recitation. I was merely stating that everyone is too touchy and over critical about others beliefs.
What do you by mean 35,00 pseudo-fact and incessant recitation.
I hear this false fact OFTEN - stated as if it were true, ignorantly by many who have NO CLUE as to the premise of the research BEHIND the figure.
I was merely stating that everyone is too touchy
Not everyone is touchy ... I for one will not get insulted - but don't expect me not to defend.
and over critical about others beliefs
So I take it that there is no objective truth from your perspective. Did Christ not set an example? What was that example? There is One Truth - Error is to be exposed and avoided.
It could just be me, and I did just come in out of the sun, but I though Heavy D's comment was kinda funny! 8-)
Re. Sprockets remarks. Yes, Christ did set an example. Secondly, I don't get insulted either, but I defend what I believe to be true also, so I guess we're on the same page.
...so I guess we're on the same page
Good!
The women who are being ordained will have to start their own church, I'm sure they have gotten excommunicated from the Catholic Church.
My question is how did they in the first place get this teaching if they were part of the Catholic Church?
Did they come in after they had the teaching and no one stopped them?
Or did they become usurpers in the Church and no one stopped them?
I can't imagine this has gone on in a vacuum with final revelation recently.
Many times we are too afraid to nip evil in the bud ... God's glory should be paramount.
They surely didn't get their ideas and teachings from the Catholic Church, I would assume they just decided to go off on their own. Who knows how long they have kept it under cover before just making it public, ultimately, they will be excommunicated.
The sad part of this to me is how quickly we can judge those who attempt to follow God's call but remain as silent about injustice to women as we once were about unjustice to slaves, a practice endorsed by the Church and fought for by some bishops. When will we learn that to follow Christ is more important than to perpetuate what is injust in the name of Canon Law? The gospel I read tells me that judging is wrong. So it is not up to me to judge these women as "kooks" as so many of these blogs have done. It does not even give me permisssion to judge these bloggers to be kooks. So may God bless us all as we try to learn his will.
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